PATRICK OGLE: ...your name and say some of the things you've been involved with and then what you're doing now.

RON HOLZNER: Ron Holzner, bass guitar player from a band called trouble for 15 years. I did Moustache, Debris Inc. with Dave Chandler from St. Vitus, and now I'm with My Cold Dead Hand with Keith Pastrick from Wicker Man. Just a little darker and I'm happier.

I played my BC Rich Mockingbird forever. It's like my extension of -- It should be like another arm, actually like three arms. This thing is one-piece maple, body, neck, which is weird by, I guess, modern standards because it's always you have to have a neck screwed into the body. It's just like one day they actually tried to make unique instruments, so it's like one piece of wood, the [EXPLETIVE] body and the neck and --

PATRICK OGLE: So it's all cut out from one piece of wood?

RON HOLZNER: Yeah, yeah, [INDISCERNIBLE] but they add to it, but I mean it makes the sustain when just every note you play, it just -- it's unbelievable.

PATRICK OGLE: Hold it down right. That's BC Rich.

RON HOLZNER: This is my BC Rich. It is this beautiful [OVERLAPPING].

PATRICK OGLE: It is a beautiful, beautiful guitar. You can see that it is solid [OVERLAPPING]

RON HOLZNER: I mentioned that this is maple all the way. I'm sure they add like, you know, this is to it, but this here...

PATRICK OGLE: ...right up through here, this is all then this is all, then this is [INDISCERNIBLE] but that looks like an inlay, right?

RON HOLZNER: Oh yeah. But I mean but this, the whole, it's like the heart and soul of it I mean you just, you know.

PATRICK OGLE: It's not -- I mean obviously it's like it is not a glued on. It is a solid chunk of wood.

RON HOLZNER: Yeah, it's one piece of wood, and I mean that is, you know --and it is --

PATRICK OGLE: That is kind of a special --

RON HOLZNER: -- and the sustain is just incredible in this thing, and it's DiMarzio's is just like, "Gowweew!", in your [EXPLETIVE] face, you know. And they [EXPLETIVE] with DiMarzio for a while. I think they're all good now, but --

And then BC Rich went on to make basses for Motley Crue and started making cheesy instruments. I really don't get it.

PATRICK OGLE: How old is that particular bass?

RON HOLZNER: It's from the 80s, early 80s so that's 25 years old. The DiMarzio was in there with just in it a 10-dB preamp, which I mean when you hit these notes and play the notes, with I would say the long piece of wood and cranked up DiMarzios, it's incredible, and I can say it's like orgasmic [LAUGHS].

Trouble was originally a doom band, and we're playing more...

PATRICK OGLE: I just remember being fast.

RON HOLZNER: ...groove. Well, we had like the fast and it evolved into a fast like with Rick Rubin when we did our records in Def American, it got a little more groove and faster, but there is still that doom part of it, and it hit a low nice end with this bass that cut through these guys with like two Marshall stacks a piece, the Gibsons, the Flying V's, and it had a nice mid that cut right through it. So, it worked for me, and I was like with the new stuff I wasn't sure, like My Cold Dead Hand I'm switching around and I still play the BC Rich, but I switch. I got a Fender, like a John Paul Jones Jazz Bass. With some I would be playing with this because it's a little -- I don't have to cut through with I could say giant "Ah!" sound coming through trying to kill me. I can play and be happy and just play a nice bass sound. And actually I'm actually hearing BC Rich how it should be sounding without having to cut through that, so I'm still using both.

PATRICK OGLE: So, you can use both depending on what you're dealing with?

RON HOLZNER: Yeah, right. I'm happy with the BC Rich sound but I want to experiment a little bit more. You know, I found like -- you know, the Fenders are just so beautiful.

PATRICK OGLE: When I look at most basses, I would see that they're all really big, I mean the BC Rich it looks like a -- looks like a -- it looks like something you can hit somebody in the head with.

RON HOLZNER: Well, BC Rich is more -- it's more compact. The frets are smaller, it's got a real fast neck, and --

PATRICK OGLE: I'm probably not thinking of your BC Rich by the way. I think you [INDISCERNIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]

RON HOLZNER: Like the ones they did for Motley Crue and that whole thing where they had the neck put separately put on, because this is more compact, so you really need to know what you're doing. Actually, feel the neck, I can like, say a Fender Precision, and the neck is a lot bigger, so you actually have to know what you're doing to play one of those, and BC Rich you get actually -- I don't know, makes you not just the regular person but a superperson.