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Proper Cable Wrapping Techniques

November 08, 2006
cable wrapping - a down and dirty guide
There are two schools of thought when it comes to cable, three if you count wadding it up like a dork, and tossing it into a gig bag. Proper cable coiling is one of those little tasks that seems easy, but winds up driving you crazy until you learn a little trick or two. Is there a Scout badge for this? There oughta be. Get a good look at how to wrap cable in part two of Gearwire's exclusive cable wrap demo video.

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The view is confusing

By: Mark Stahl (not verified)

This video might be more helpful from a perspective view. I found it hard to make any sense of it with everything flipped around and backwards. It would also help if the video had a slow-mo part during the wrap. I guess I'm spacially retarded.

Thu, 2008-01-24 07:10

OVER/UNDER WRAP

By: ANAHEIM ANGELS (not verified)

YOU'RE RIGHT THE VIDEO SHOULD BE FROM A PERSPECTIVE VIEW AND SHOULD INCLUDE SLO-MO...
HOWEVER, OVER/UNDER IS ONE OF THE EASIEST CABLE WRAPS YOU CAN LEARN, THAT WILL MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A PRO WHO KNOW'S WHAT THEY ARE DOING, IT WILL ALSO PRESERVE THE LIFE OF YOUR CABLE, I WRAP ALL MY CABLES FROM SOCAPEX, 250 FT CAM LOCK (FEEDER), DMX, XLR, BNC CABLE, L6-20, L6-15 ETC, FIBER OPTIC, EXTENSION CORDS ETC, HELL I EVEN OVER/UNDER MY GARDEN HOSE, THE MEMORY ON THAT BAD BOY IS PERFECT!!!
ANYWAY, THEIR ARE MANY HOW TO'S ON YOU TUBE THAT SHOW YOU HOW TO COIL USING OVER/UNDER WRAP, ONCE YOU GET THE HANG OF IT, IT BECOMES SECOND NATURE...
I HIGHLY SUGGEST EVERYONE LEARN THIS TECHNIQUE, IT WILL SAVE ALL YOUR CABLES IN THE LONG RUN...
YOU'LL BE HAPPY YOU TOOK THE TIME TO LEARN...

Thu, 2010-09-30 23:37

good thoughts

By: bholland

this is an old video from back in the day. it might be time to update it. I've wrapped plenty of stage cable in my day, so maybe we can have a cable wrapping technique extravaganza.

Thu, 2008-01-24 11:24

Time better spent seraching for other online information

By: Steven (not verified)

Reader,
I found the aspect that the instructor was wearing black clothing, standing much of the time in front of a black drop/curtain, coiling a black cable, and presenting in poor lighting left my viewing the video a waste of time. Little visual benefit was obtained from the video for me. I also found the spoken comments to not help much eather. I recommend spending your time searching for other online information on this topic. Steven

Sun, 2008-03-16 13:39

Over Under All The Way, a note from Broadway/Live

By: daveMIX (not verified)

The math is, for each turn of the wrap of a cable you introduce a half-turn diagonally on the cable.

You add more wraps to that one side of your spool (that's what Dan did, always adding from his right side if you couldn't see). This is also true if you're wrapping some heavy cable on the floor.

Now, do you continue to wrap with the 1/2 twist the same way (round and round), or do you alternate wrapping it to the same side with the 1/2 diagonal twist going the other way?

I agree, this would be easier to see with a white cable over a black background or just the opposite.

Good job Dan but you did not show clearly enough how the loops are just a consequence of diagonal twists that alternate or go round and round.

Dan's normal wrap is round and round and his cables were not "trained for" over/under as the reverse can also be true. There's friction in either way of turning, the difference is do maintain the same radial twist or do you "store up" opposing 1/2 twists that will cancel and be a pay-off for the professional unwrapper.

I am EXTREMELY picky about how wires are wrapped, I'm in that "live sound and broadway" category, and "Over/Under" is the only way for me. Others I might work for would request "round and round" and that's what I do for them.

Over/Under is great for setting up fast. But it has a real downside that screws the uninitiated. This video didn't show you a way that Over/Under can be unwrapped deadly wrong. Here's how it happens:

Someone takes one connector end of the wrap and allows it to go through the hole and unwraps the cable by that end and attempts to get the whole cable to go through the hole making one knot every other unwrapped turn - doesn't seem like much until it happens to you and you learn to STOP and think and undo.

For short cables under 6 feet, guitar cables and such just go round and round. Dan's cables were about 35 feet and for him he had the time. Good for him, maybe for you too and easy to learn, unwrap with care every time as Dan shows it and you're 100% good.

If your wrapping 350 feet of 60ch snake with a 1.5 inch diameter taped with 240volt 12gauge and three video lines and cat6, then you can wrap that either way you want, but with round and round, you've introduced 50 diagonal twists per load-out, and soon that will involve a lot of untwisting at one end - and my opinion is Over/Under solves that for professionals.

So for musicians, most cables wrap round and round for you, but please understand professional audio wire wrapping is often more complicated and serious than it appears.

If a soundman asks you to stop wrapping his cables it's not really about you - he knows you're a good person, that's why he doesn't want to be upset with you - trust me.

Guitar cord, MIDI, video, audio cables under 15ft
Round&Round

Snakes, Large power, all audio cable over 30 feet
Over/Under

240v single 4wire or three phase 208v single 5wire
Figure "8" (over/under open-faced)

My personal version for all over/under:
To put round and round on the last 3 wraps on both ends, that way no one will unwrap wrong and pull out those deadly knots.

Best wishes

Thu, 2009-04-23 01:12

180 degrees out of phase

By: DxM (not verified)

For the record, the idea that wrapping cables over/under is more stressful on the solder joints is not only without foundation, it is exactly the opposite of the case. Wrapping in a standard overhand coil forces one side of the cable to always be on the outside radius, and the other to be on the inside. Over long cable runs, this causes a great deal of tension on the outer edge, and compression on the other. Over time, this leads to frayed wires and shielding inside the cable, and broken solder joints on the ends. This is made worse by the constant internal twisting inherent in this method of wrapping.
As wrapping this way causes the cable to bias in the coiled direction, the cable tends to always coil in this way, stressing the same sides every time the cable is coiled.
The main way to eliminate this is to over/under wrap the cable.

In short, there is no legitimate benefit to wrapping cable in the over hand or underhand only method, except for the few seconds it may save you on tear down, contrary to the claims in this video.

Tue, 2010-05-04 22:08

Figure-8 Cable Wrapping

By: David Kaye (not verified)

I'm surprised that you professional folks created a video where a guy dressed in black standing in front of a black background is wrapping a black cable. Huh? Did you folks think of what you were doing before making the video?

It's very hard to see the wrapping.

Mon, 2011-10-17 22:46

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DAN AGOSTO: Hi. I'm Dan Agosto from Gearwire.Com. We're going to talk a little more about proper cable care, and this will cover not only just the wrapping. We'll also cover different type of wrapping but also the unwrapping that goes into the different methods of cable wrapping.

So, this cable is wrapped in the method shown in the first video where you just roll it up, just going with the natural turns of the cable and you don't change it up at all. It's pretty simple. So, I'm going to show you -- actually, there's a proper way to unwrap this type of cable. The reason I do this type of wrapping and unwrapping because it's a little gentler to your cable. You're not going to be stressing the internal soldering points and things like that, but so here I have my mic, I'm going to plug it in and begin unwrapping. Now, as I unwrap, I just stay conscious of which way the cable wants to turn, and I wil turn whatever I have in my hand to go with that. And little turns aren't a huge deal. You don't have to deal with every single loop it just felt. So, see I hve a nicely unrolled cable, and that's what you want to see, not too many turns and it will roll straight out, and that definitely is a great way to keep the life of your cable going in, not create any extra resistances within the cable.

So before I attempt to roll up the cable again, I'm going to unplug the mic again, and we're assuming that the other end is already unplugged from whatever you're plugging it into.

Okay, let's go over the second way of wrapping cable, and a lot of people will use this who work in stage or live sound applications just because it leaves the time when you're actually setting up, it makes it a little easier as you can toss the cable while it's wrapped across the stage, but I feel that I stress the soldering points a little more, so when I'm in a studio situation, I will use the first method. When I'm in a live situation, I'll tend to use this method.

So basically I just want to, you know, get all the kinks out that I can like sort of shaking the cable out. Okay, so this method starts same way. I have the male end of the cable with the three prongs, stretch out about two or three feet, and as I come in, I'm going to turn the cable away from me and create a loop like that. Now, for the second loop, I'm going to go the other way. I'm going to give the cable a little more slack and turn it towards me and then create a loop like that, grab it with my left hand, and I may have just to shake those out a little bit, keep on doing it. Then the next loop, that's going to be just like the first, and once again I'll show you the second loop, roll it towards you, bring the hands together and you'll see a loop form, grab the loop. And as you get better, you'll get faster and faster at it.

This takes a little more time in the -- when you're breaking down rolling up your cables but here's the plus side of this. Now I'm ready to plug back into my microphone cable, and my microphone is wrapped using the second technique, which is actually known as the over-under technique. So I plug it in, and I can just walk it right out, let the cable drop. I don't have to do any turning, and if I needed to, I can throw the coil across the stage, and it will be relatively loop free. So that's the second way to do it, and I'm just going to repeat it just for educational purposes.

So once again, I'll unplug the microphone because we want both ends to be loose while we're rolling, and one more time this is the second method. Start with the male end towards you, a loop away from you, you turn your right hand away from you or your left hand if you're left handed, and then towards you until you create the loop and then grab that loop. Once again, the first loop and the second loop.

Sometimes when you're doing the second loop, you will feel the cable sort of strain underneath your fingers and that's really why I use the first method in a studio setting just because I like to baby my cables, and second loop, and a first loop, and I believe that will do it, maybe one more small one. All right, and I like to use cable wraps of course, these Velcro strips.

So those are the two ways of wrapping cables. If you want to see the first one, check out Cable Wrap Video 1 and that's in general the way I would wrap a cable inside of a studio. It's a little more gentler on a cable. This is the second method. You can use it in live applications, sometimes in a studio session when you know you're going to be in a rush on your next session and you usually are.

So, thanks for checking these videos out.

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