[FIREWATER’S “BORNEO” PLAYING IN THE BACKGROUND]

TOD A: Hey. I’m Tod A from Firewater. I’m not that emotional about equipment. It’s kind of.

PATRICK OGLE: It’s like a hammer.

TOD A: It’s a bit like a hammer. It’s there to do a job and eventually they just wear out and it’s time for a new one. I’ve always been inspired by music from all over the world and, you know, some of the coolest punk rock bands I’ve seen have been in, you know, have been like marching bands in Mexico or wedding bands, and to me it’s all about the energy and the spirit and, you know, not so much about talent and licks or not even a god -- you know, trousers or haircut. It’s more about the, you know, coming from here or coming from the heart and like doing it like this is the last, you know, the last show you’re ever going to play.

[FIREWATER’S “3 LEGGED DOG” PLAYING IN THE BACKGROUND]

TOD A: Basically because I was going, you know, overseas, and I was going to be away from anywhere where I could find good equipment for a long time, so I was -- also I was -- everything I was taking with me I had to fit in a backpack. It had to work, you know, continue to function. I wasn’t able -- You know, there’s no radio shack in Pakistan, so you can’t just go and replace something, so I had to like be pretty careful about what I took and I didn’t want to carry too much stuff with me. So, I got one good microphone, AKG something or other, which served me well, and I was recording into my laptop which is just a Dell, and I used a MOTU like a travel -- I think it’s called a [PH] Travel Lite, which is not actually that small but it was the smallest thing they had that was a MOTU and that’s -- I don't know. They seem to have the best sound for me. So, and I had a little travel guitar.

PATRICK OGLE: What kind of travel guitar?

TOD A: I’m trying to remember the name.

PATRICK OGLE: Martin makes one.

TOD A: That’s the one.

PATRICK OGLE: The Martin.

TOD A: The Martin. Yeah. It’s the one with the -- It looks -- It’s like triangular shaped. It looks like a regular guitar except they’ve chopped up the -- you know.

PATRICK OGLE: Yeah. It’s like the center of the guitar.

TOD A: Exactly. At which it, you know, it sounds like [EXPLETIVE] but it’s, you know, it’s really small and you can fit it in your carry-on luggage.

PATRICK OGLE: It kind of sounds like a ukulele.

TOD A: Yeah, but it works for writing on and it’s really light, and I was able to carry that along without having it be a whole, you know, extra piece of luggage.