BILL HOLLAND: Hi everybody. Welcome back to Gearwire.. I’m Bill Holland here with Surachai and Justin McGrath. Thanks for joining me again, guys.

SURACHAI: Hello.

BILL HOLLAND: And we’re going to talk about producing the studio. Now, you guys were just telling me a Norwegian black metal you’re working on, correct?

SURACHAI: Oh no. It’s not Norwegian. It’s just essentially I’m on this label called Fathme out of San Francisco/ [SOUNDS LIKE] like/and/or/then, and I went on your tour in Europe and just played some songs and I got a good response so yeah I’m just pumping up, I don't know, what they call it like grind, deathcore, or something like that.

BILL HOLLAND: Awesome, and you’re doing that all in live but how do you actually start creating your sounds? Are you using VSTs? What companies/software are you using or are you using hardware?

SURACHAI: It depends for what project. I have like five side projects like that. That metal project, I generally do everything in Logic, track and do drums in Logic and [SIGHS] all right, and then [LAUGHING], yeah and I use like -- It’s just like guitars. It’s very traditional. It’s guitar, basses and drums and lots of pedals and I just do everything in Logic, so I don't know. It’s just it’s an open-ended program so there’s no like -- I don't know. It’s just you’re going to approach it anyway.

BILL HOLLAND: So then you would take those tracks from Logic and put them into Live for live performance. Are you exporting them as separate loops for each different track within the project or how are you doing that?

SURACHAI: Okay. So, that’s my middle project. I do things differently from that one because like when I’m performing that I basically bounced the entire thing without vocals, and then for my live performance I just do vocals and like modular interludes. But for tonight, like the [PH] Panzier things, how I do that is -- I mean these songs can have like up to like, you know, whatever like 40 tracks of random things, but essentially I basically separate them into like rhythmic things like the drums and then the bass are separate tracks and then like the leads and the pads and vocals or whatever. And basically, what happens is like say the song is 3 minutes and I just pump out -- Well, Logic has this thing where it’s just like you could bounce every track as an AIFF or a WAV files and then like it’s just like five WAV files that are exactly 5 minutes and then they’re, you know, it’s just the tracks. So, essentially what I’m doing in live is just playing the tracks out, drums, bass, strings, pads, whatever I just say, and what’s happening is Live is a very versatile program. You can send sends through your outboard gear like this one has 10 outputs, right? So, I have one output going into here, one output’s going to go to Justin which he’s going to destroy with the Sherman Bank, and then yeah. There’s a bunch of stuff going inside that program as well. I don't know if that makes anything more clear.

BILL HOLLAND: No. That make’s sense. I get that. Well, great. I mean I’ll mix -- So, you’re using Ableton and then you’re also altering everything live using analog processing which I mean that makes it a lot more interesting from a performance angle versus just hiding behind a laptop and using, you know, software to alter everything on the fly.

SURACHAI: Yeah. Sure. I mean it depends on what you’re trying to go for. I mean for DJing I mean yeah I’ll just use a laptop. All PS? Maybe you should like post this into the other modular section.

BILL HOLLAND: Yeah. Hold it up so you could see it.

SURACHAI: But anyways, if you ever gig with one of these things, bring fuses because they just go out all the time, and that is like a rule of thumb.

BILL HOLLAND: That’s good to know. All right guys, well thank you for joining us today at Gearwire.Com. I’m Bill Holland, and we’ll be back with more from [PH] Sonitech.

SURACHAI: Thanks Justin.

JUSTIN MCGRATH: [CLAPS] Thank you.

BILL HOLLAND: Justin thanks you.